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  1. #11
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    @Marscaleb
    Ok. About the i and b.. fair enough

    @Marscaleb
    I'll be happier with a second-rate website I built myself than any nice-looking template I bought.
    If I had real content on my site and was trying collect revenue, sure, nice template would be smart. But this website is more for myself than anything else.
    About your current site. The only thing that looks nice on it are the hamsters talking in rainbows!! However apparently I shouldn't ask.

    Good luck with what you decide.

    I do think you need wordpress. The video below showcases its strengths as for the css part you can always make your own template. The key point is that you have something dynamic and more modern (support for videos, interactive galleries ) and easy to use.

    My take on your story is this: I want to place my things on the table for all to see. I don't know anything about tables except the tables I have seen in my life so far ...so I should get a table. No. It is better that I build the table myself because I want the cover placed on the table to be personalized for me.

    The "I build the table myself" is pushing you away from the "place my things on the table for all to see". You are essentially distancing yourself from you main goal which is to provide the stuff on the table.

    As for the "personalized for me", you can always modify the template that you get. Instead of the column going there place it. Put a customized div here and there and so on. Or you can create a new template from scratch knowing that you only need to create the cover for the already existing table (in this case, wordpress)

    The demo page for wordpress: http://www.opensourcecms.com/scripts...name=WordPress


  2. #12
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    Thank you everyone for your advice and encouragement!

    Quote Originally Posted by dstew View Post
    Frankly, your site is using very old techniques and is inconsistent. This makes it hard to update.
    Yeah, I intend less to update my website and more to completely replace it.
    Or wait, I suppose you mean that as it is it is difficult to make updates, as in, even relatively minor ones. Yeah, that's probably true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toastage View Post
    Well that's fine, I prefer to pay a professional fisherman who knows what they're doing and actually get some good fish. You said you wanted it to be professional, and unless you're a professional developer, that's the closest you'll get.
    You got me there, I did say that.
    I could go into detail of describing exactly what I mean as I straddle the two ideas, but I don't really think there's much point to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by florem View Post
    My take on your story is this: I want to place my things on the table for all to see. I don't know anything about tables except the tables I have seen in my life so far ...so I should get a table. No. It is better that I build the table myself because I want the cover placed on the table to be personalized for me.

    The "I build the table myself" is pushing you away from the "place my things on the table for all to see". You are essentially distancing yourself from you main goal which is to provide the stuff on the table.
    Well, that's largely true. I mean, the analogy you make is pretty true and makes sense. But at the same time, creating a webpage doesn't seem very complex, or at least, not complex to me. Since I'm not creating my own forum, or hundreds of pages of content, or creating a store, or databases, or dynamic content, or... You get the idea. For a small number of pages that just display an article or equally simple feature, it's not something I think is beyond my ability.
    Perhaps I sold myself short in my original post while trying to describe what I do and don't know, but I don't have difficulty in this arena, I just haven't properly kept up my skills. (And let's be honest, there's a lot of web-tools out there; it's not smart to just grab them at random to see if they are what you need.)
    And hey, this stuff is fun, so why not build it myself?

    So anyway...

    I've been reading up CSS. It also turns out that XHTML is nothing to learn, well, once you know some of the proper markups that for some reason the first tutorials I learned from didn't explain. (Using <br /> instead of <br> for example.)

    I'm going to practice with it for a bit and then start looking into CSS3 and HTML5, to see what it can do for me. I think I'll start planning a redesign of my website and aim to post an overhaul of it for it's seventh anniversary.

    Again, thank you all for your advice, direction, and encouragement!
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  3. #13
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    Hi Caleb,

    Do not bother with xhtml. Stick to html. XHTML was a bad idea and abandoned.

    When you start looking at css, first eliminate any display / formatting html. Rip out those tables and remove things like the br tags that just push down the content. That stuff is the job of css.

    I am going to post a partially revised version of your links page. It is not complete. It is ugly.
    It shows some ways of separating the content and the design. You will also see patterns that will illustrate duplicate code.


    - - - - - - -
    BTW, that pic of you losing weight is great! How long did it take?

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    links page:

    Code:
    <html>
    <head>
        <title>The Immortal Caleb Child
        </title>
        <link rel="shortcut icon" href="http://calebchild.boldlygoingnowhere.org/caleb/favicon.ico" type="image/x-icon">
        <meta content="True" name="vs_showGrid">
    </head>
    <body style="background-image: url(linkbg.jpg); width:85%; margin:15px auto">
        <h2>Welcome to the Link page!</h2>
        <div style="width:90%; margin:0px auto; background:#ab9; color:#fff; border: solid black 1px; text-align:left;">
            <h3>Sites I visit for various causes</h3> 
            <img src="linksdream.jpg" width="358" height="278" style="float:left; margin:5px 10px;">
            <dl>
                <dt><a href="http://www.garagegames.com">Garage Games</a></dt>
                     <dd>The people who make the Torque Engine.</dd>
                <dt><a href="http://www.gamefaqs.com/">GameFAQs</a></dt>
                     <dd>The best place to get help and information of any videogame.</dd>
                <dt><a href="http://www.imdb.com/">The Internet Movie Database (IMDB)</a></dt>
                     <dd>The best place to check who has been in what movie, and other things of that nature.</dd>
                <dt><a href="http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmarscalebQQhtZ-1">eBay</a></dt>
                    <dd>Click this link to see what items I'm selling.</dd>
                <dt><a href="http://hennistlc.com">Hennis Tree and Lawn Care</a></dt>
                   <dd>Servicing Solano and Napa Counties.&nbsp; I work for these guys every so often.&nbsp; They are my friends.</dd>
                <dt><a href="ttp://dictionary.reference.com/">Dictionary.com</a></dt>
                   <dd>For quick reference to reference materials.</dd>
                <dt><a href="http://www.nintendo.com/home">The Official Nintendo Website</a></dt>
                   <dd>All things Nintendo</dd>
                <dt><a href="http://www.us.playstation.com/">The Official Playstation Website</a></dt>
                    <dd>All things Playstation</dd>
                <dt><a href="http://www.planetunreal.com">Planet Unreal</a></dt>
                   <dd>All things Unreal</dd>
                <dt><a href="http://www.dopefish.com">Dopefish.com</a></dt>
                  <dd>Swim Swim Hungry</dd>
            </dl>
        </div>
        <div style="width:162px; margin:10px auto;">
                <img src="bow.gif" width="162" height="303">
        </div>
        <div style="width:90%; margin:0px auto; background:#ab9; color:#fff; border: solid black 1px; text-align:left;">
        <h3>Personal WebPages of folks I know</h3>
        <img src="Zelda_7.jpg" width="358" height="269" style="float:left; margin:5px 10px;">
               <p>
                   <a href="http://manchild.homeip.net/joseph/index.htm">Joseph's Home Page</a> 
                   <br> My Brother Joseph's site. It lacks a little in content, but its not annoying or anything.
               </p>
               <p>
                   <a href="http://www.myspace.com/TheImmortalCalebChild">MySpace - The&nbsp;Immortal Caleb Child</a> 
                   <br> My MySpace page.&nbsp; Go here if you are more interested in all that "who I am" stuff.
               </p>
               <p>
                   <a href="http://www.micahchild.com/">Micah J. Child's Personal&nbsp;Webpage</a> 
                   <br> My Brother Micah's site.&nbsp; See inverse of Joseph's webpage.
               </p>
               <p>
                   <a href="http://trescott.jp/en/home.html">Trescott.jp</a> 
                   <br> My good Friend Trescott's site.&nbsp; He's far too busy to update it, but if he ever finished it it would probably be really cool.
               </p>
               <p>
                   <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/or/sirbeef/index.html">Sir Beef's AD&amp;D Page</a>
                   <br> A site managed by my Uncle Lester about Dungeons and Dragons.
               </p>
        </div>
        <div style="width:225px; margin:10px auto;">
                <img src="link_A.gif" width="225" height="319">
        </div>
        <div style="width:90%; margin:0px auto; background:#ab9; color:#fff; border: solid black 1px; text-align:left;">
        <h3>Comic Strips I read</h3>
        <img src="navigate.jpg" width="271" height="620" style="float:left; margin:5px 10px;">
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.sluggy.com/">Sluggy Freelance</a> 
            <br> 
            <em>The
            </em> Webcomic
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.brunothebandit.com/">Bruno the Bandit
                <br></a>A humorous strip set in a world of magic, elves, dragons, and modern conveniences.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://drmcninja.com/index.html">The Adventures of Dr. McNinja</a>
            <br> The coolest comic I've seen since Von Hunter stopped updating.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://raizap.com/sdamned/index.php"> Slightly Damned</a>
            <br> Everybody start reading this one and purchasing its merchandise so the lady writing it can afford to update it more frequently.
        </p>
        <p> 
            <a href="http://www.noneedforbushido.com/archive.php">No Need For Bushido</a>
            <br> A very funny strip set in feudal Japan.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://xkcd.com/">xkcd</a>
            <br> Very nerdly humor
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.megatokyo.com/">MegaTokyo
                <br></a>A manga-styled comic about two Americans stuck in Japan.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.reallifecomics.com/">Real Life Comics
                <br></a>Written by a guy that lived not-too-far from me, this comic often will eerily parallel my own life.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.pvponline.com/">PVP - Player Versus Player</a>
            <br> Humorous.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.nukees.com/">Nukees
                <br></a>Funny enough.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.robandelliot.cycomics.com/">Rob and Elliot</a>
            <br> Humor with often unexpected punchlines.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://dresdencodak.com/index.html">Dresden Codak</a>
            <br>Artsy, funny, sciencey, and even touching.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.earthsongsaga.com/index.html"> Earthsong</a>
            <br> A well-drawn dramatic strip that employs a very unique take on fantasy elements yet still delivers them as what the audience will recognize.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.junglestudio.com/roza/">Roza</a>
            <br> A dramatic strip set in a&nbsp; world of magic.&nbsp; In my opinion, the best-drawn strip I read.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.thedreamlandchronicles.com/">The Dreamland Chronicles</a>
            <br> A dramatic strip about a guy who travels to another world while asleep, "drawn" in professional-quality CGI.
        </p>
        <p><b>(Finished or on indefinite hiatus)</b>
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.beaverandsteve.com/index.php">Beaver and Steve, the Unfeasible Adventures of</a>
            <br> A comic like no other.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.bobandgeorge.com/">Bob and George</a> 
            <br> The grand-daddy of all sprite comics.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.melonpool.com/">Mayberry Melonpool</a>
            <br> A very great and also traditional comic strip.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.rpgworldcomic.com">RPG World</a> 
            <br> A comic set in a PS1 RPG, similar to Final Fantasy and other popular titles.&nbsp; Quite amusing, but the author didn't manage to formally end it, even though he tried...
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://www.vanvonhunter.com/">Van Von Hunter
                <br></a>The funniest comic I've ever seen.
        </p>
        <p>
            <a href="http://wickedpowered.com/">Wicked Powered</a>
            <br> Although its created by the same folks who make Sore Thumbs, a comic I rather do not like, Wicked Powered is a surprisingly amusing comic.
        </p>
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            <p style="width:200px; margin:10px auto;">
                <a href="http://calebchild.boldlygoingnowhere.org/caleb/">
                    <img src="past_link.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="141">
                    <br>Click this Link to the Past to get back to the main page
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by dstew View Post
    Do not bother with xhtml. Stick to html. XHTML was a bad idea and abandoned.
    Say what now?? >.<

    I think XHTML is the standard at present. Until everyone moves over to HTML5 anyway.

  6. #16
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    dstew-
    Aww, you didn't need to do that! Seriously, I'm thinking I'm going to completely rebuild my site. But yes, I do see that as a much better way to arrange the information.

    That was about a year of weightloss; 130 pounds.
    Read my Webcomic:
    maytiacomic.com
    Check up on my progress at:
    marscaleb.com

  7. #17
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    Despite the popularity of xhtml just about everyone didn't use it properly. It was/is used as html, without the xml part. So, why bother.
    You can use some of the html5 tags today. Most browsers will just ignore them if they don't understand; but that means, of course, that you need to know what would happen if they are not recognized.

  8. #18
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    Marscaleb, how is the learning going for you? Any updates on your end to let us know how it's coming along? I look forward to seeing any progress you're making.
    - Rik

  9. #19
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    Going well enough.
    I read through some tutorials, and at this point it is mostly just practicing so that I understand how to use the tools and options to create what I need. It's nice that they kept the design elements simple.

    As far as my website, since it would need a complete redesign, any changes I make on it are kept on my computer until I'm ready to re-launch the whole thing. Since it's not a priority I wouldn't expect that for a long while, though. It's nice to know that people are interested though! I will drop a line when I've got something ready.
    Read my Webcomic:
    maytiacomic.com
    Check up on my progress at:
    marscaleb.com

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