[mistermikster]

I mean:

After last election, in it's current composition, I actually see it adopting U.S. style notice and takedown rules easier than before...

[gmailer]

Originally Posted by Problem

What next? Are they going to start copyrighting concepts and vague ideas? That would make most of us free thinkers into criminals and brings another Orwellian term to mind that of Thought Crime.

Problem

actually, last i checked, that was already being done today. People can actually copyright an idea as long as its on paper. Its basically what you would call a patent

Originally Posted by hostod

One more of a hundred thousand million reasons why I can't afford to give a crap anymore. I'd probably cry if I spend to much time thinking about everything that's wrong with this world. Thank god for my wacky tobaccy

Have you guys ever thought about how many laws you break EVERY day? I feel like everything I do is illegal.

well considering that just about every time i take the car for a spin i break the speed limit (not by much, just 10-20km/h more than the limit but still) i know how you mean.

Originally Posted by mistermikster

I mean:

After last election, in it's current composition, I actually see it adopting U.S. style notice and takedown rules easier than before...

i doubt it. but on the other hand, the former official phone company (and subsequently largest isp in the country) here in Norway just won a huge trial. They stated that they would not be shutting out the piratebay simply cause their users where using it. The example they used was that a ladder company doesn't stop making ladders just because criminals like normal people can use them for their own purposes.
But its also a small encouraging news that the pirate party of Sweden managed to get a mandate on the EU parliament

[rangerbob]

Hey i just had an original thought oh whats that someone else had it also on the other-side of the world that explains the black hawks in my front yard... anyone else think this is starting to get a little bit rediculous

[Seijiro]

The only way, the only real way to stop this bull is to get rid of the money. Only having a resource based civilization. Like that is going to happen anytime soon. Maybe after the 10th world war or something when there's 2 people left. A male and a female.

[hostod]

Originally Posted by Seijiro

The only way, the only real way to stop this bull is to get rid of the money. Only having a resource based civilization. Like that is going to happen anytime soon. Maybe after the 10th world war or something when there's 2 people left. A male and a female.

http://vimeo.com/5021110

[Johnny Thunder]

Man this is becoming ridiculous. Every time I hear news about new copyright laws in relation to the internet I really feel like humanity is just not worth it.

Remember how there where countless scientific articles pointing to the fact that Napster was not hurting the music industry? In fact piracy at that point was actually helping. Way didn't the RIAA just say "hay look this is actually helping sales?" and just go with it? Instead they freaked out and killed it because it might have been hurting sales.

Now we're in some war between corporations with an army of layers fighting "hackers" over intellectual property. To do this they are just assuming we the people are all hackers and punishing us because we might copy (what they call stealing) some of their ones and zeros. In the middle ground we have the courts who need to make a choice as to who they support.

Call it what you will but the question really comes down to should copyrights be legal?

It's really sad to think that something that was originally intended to make sure that people who make cool things are not screwed over by corporations has turned into something that corporations use to screw everyone else over because apparently corporations now own all the ideas. (For example you can't sing happy birthday because it's owned by Time Wanner)

This is total BS in my opinion and if the corporations win in the courts then I wont be surprised if we see people fighting them in the streets and on the web. Because this seems less and less about copyright law and more and more about world wide corporate control over the individual. These corporations should not be allowed to use there power to control us like this and the only reason they can get away with it is because they have become so powerful no one can stop them. If they win then the vary idea of individual will be erased; replaced with the ideals of the corporation and whatever they beleive.

No longer can the individual have a creative idea and put it into action because they will be wiped out by the corporation's army of layers. Rather they will need the protection of the corporations to insure that they can create their idea and set it fourth into action. But then it's no longer their idea anymore it's the corporations.

This makes me sick. This is not about protecting corporation's intellectual property anymore this is about power and corporations trying to get more of it. These gorse disgusting things called corporations are becoming the only real individual in the eyes of the law and we humans are becoming less less impotent. We are only valuable in our servitude to the corporation and it's battle to make the most money it can. When we no longer perform at our best we are no longer useful and will be terminated (as in fired but the effect will be the same).

I for one would rather die a free man then live one day a slave to this emerging globule empire.

[reknorak]

This is bad news, can you imagine if 4chan users are banned from the internet and released back into society?

Maybe this was 'leaked' to see how people would react, or maybe it was made up - I cant seem find any source on this information.

Even if this is true its not going to happen. Why not? Because we wont let it happen. We have the support of companies that suffer massive losses by acts like this one, google for instance who are very big fans of a free thinking internet.
We cant think like "USA is skrewed, glad im in europe"we need solidarity, support those guys in the US dont let our governments think they can get away with this crap

[havoc92]

Originally Posted by Johnny Thunder

Man this is becoming ridiculous. Every time I hear news about new copyright laws in relation to the internet I really feel like humanity is just not worth it.

Remember how there where countless scientific articles pointing to the fact that Napster was not hurting the music industry? In fact piracy at that point was actually helping. Way didn't the RIAA just say "hay look this is actually helping sales?" and just go with it? Instead they freaked out and killed it because it might have been hurting sales.

Now we're in some war between corporations with an army of layers fighting "hackers" over intellectual property. To do this they are just assuming we the people are all hackers and punishing us because we might copy (what they call stealing) some of their ones and zeros. In the middle ground we have the courts who need to make a choice as to who they support.

Call it what you will but the question really comes down to should copyrights be legal?

It's really sad to think that something that was originally intended to make sure that people who make cool things are not screwed over by corporations has turned into something that corporations use to screw everyone else over because apparently corporations now own all the ideas. (For example you can't sing happy birthday because it's owned by Time Wanner)

This is total BS in my opinion and if the corporations win in the courts then I wont be surprised if we see people fighting them in the streets and on the web. Because this seems less and less about copyright law and more and more about world wide corporate control over the individual. These corporations should not be allowed to use there power to control us like this and the only reason they can get away with it is because they have become so powerful no one can stop them. If they win then the vary idea of individual will be erased; replaced with the ideals of the corporation and whatever they beleive.

No longer can the individual have a creative idea and put it into action because they will be wiped out by the corporation's army of layers. Rather they will need the protection of the corporations to insure that they can create their idea and set it fourth into action. But then it's no longer their idea anymore it's the corporations.

This makes me sick. This is not about protecting corporation's intellectual property anymore this is about power and corporations trying to get more of it. These gorse disgusting things called corporations are becoming the only real individual in the eyes of the law and we humans are becoming less less impotent. We are only valuable in our servitude to the corporation and it's battle to make the most money it can. When we no longer perform at our best we are no longer useful and will be terminated (as in fired but the effect will be the same).

I for one would rather die a free man then live one day a slave to this emerging globule empire.

The political parties here in the US aren't following the law - the constitution. And they have the people conned into believing that the way to fire the politicians is through the vote. We have an ammendment to the constitution that was never ratified properly and yet is enforced as law. We have acts of congress that are required to be ammendments to the constitution and in absence of doing it the proper way said acts are enforced as law. When illegality is inforced as law, one can hardly wonder at what's going on now..

[dataforge]

Originally Posted by Johnny Thunder

Way didn't the RIAA just say "hay look this is actually helping sales?" and just go with it? Instead they freaked out and killed it because it might have been hurting sales.

Because this is about power. The power to control musics perceived value. People getting free music tends to devalue it overall.

[mr_charisma]

Originally Posted by gmailer

actually, last i checked, that was already being done today. People can actually copyright an idea as long as its on paper. Its basically what you would call a patent

Well technically, patents are supposed to protect a concrete implementation of an idea. For example, you can't patent "peeling vegetables", but you can patent your specific implementation "a device for peeling vegetables". The reason is that patents are supposed to not only protect the inventor, but promote innovation. I'm making a heap of money on my vegetable peeler. You see this and think "man, I can make a better vegetable peeler", so you do, and you patent your implementation. You make a lot of cash, and I am not allowed to copy your peeler, spurring further innovation.

Now, we could argue that patents on business processes and most software patents violate this principle, and fall into 'patent of idea' territory, but I think we would be on the same side of the argument. That is an indication of a screwed up (particularly the US) patent system.